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Bankroll 21 March 2024 · 6 min

What the All Time Money List Hides

The all time money list ranks gross live tournament cashes. It does not subtract buy-ins, it cannot see staking deals, and it ignores online results entirely.

The all time money list is the most quoted table in poker and the most misread. It ranks players by total live tournament cashes, which is a gross number, and gross numbers do not tell you who is winning.

The list is worth understanding rather than memorising, because the things it leaves out are the same things that decide whether your own results mean anything.

What the list actually counts

It counts money collected from live tournament finishes, compiled from public results databases. That is the whole definition.

Three consequences follow immediately. Buy-ins are not subtracted, so a player who entered forty high roller events and cashed in eight can climb the list while losing money over the stretch. Online results are absent, so players who built careers on the internet appear far below their actual earnings. Cash game results are absent too, and some of the largest sums ever won in poker moved across cash tables that no database records.

None of that is a flaw in the database. It records what it can see. The error is in reading a leaderboard of gross receipts as a ranking of skill.

Why buy-ins change everything

High roller and super high roller events carry entry fees large enough that the arithmetic inverts.

Take a simplified case. A player enters twenty events at a fifty thousand buy-in, so a million committed, and takes two results totalling nine hundred thousand. The money list records nine hundred thousand of cashes. The player is a hundred thousand down.

Now put that against a player grinding mid stakes tournaments who books a small profit every year and never appears on the list at all. The list ranks the first player above the second, and the second is the better business.

This is not a hypothetical distortion. The upper reaches of the list are dominated by players who play the largest buy-ins available, because that is the only way to accumulate those totals, and the largest buy-ins are also where the entry costs bite hardest.

The part nobody can see

Staking and action swaps are standard practice at high buy-ins, and they are private.

A player who wins a two million first prize while holding thirty percent of their own action banks six hundred thousand. The money list records two million. Swaps with other players in the field move another slice around. There is no public record of any of it, and no way to correct the table for it.

So the honest reading is that the list shows how much money passed through a player's hands in recorded live tournaments, not how much stayed there. Once you accept that, the rankings stop being a scoreboard and become a rough index of who plays the biggest events most often.

What this means for your own numbers

The same error scales all the way down, and it is more expensive at your level than at theirs.

Tracking gross winnings is the amateur version of the money list. A tournament player who reports a good month by adding up cashes and forgetting buy-ins is doing exactly what the leaderboard does. So is a cash player who counts a winning session without counting the rake paid to get it, which at low stakes is the single largest line item in the game.

Measure three things instead. Net profit after every buy-in, fee and rake. Volume, so you know whether the sample means anything. And a rate, big blinds per hundred hands for cash or return on investment for tournaments, because a rate lets you compare two months of different size.

Sample size is the one people skip. A tournament player needs hundreds of events before return on investment stops being noise, and a losing stretch inside that is normal rather than evidence. This is the same reason chasing a monthly profit target does damage: the number moves for reasons that have nothing to do with how you played.

A better use for the list

Read it as history rather than as a ranking. It shows which events have paid the largest prizes, how the high roller circuit grew, and which players have been present at the top of live poker across long periods.

Presence over time is the real signal in it. Staying in the largest games for a decade is difficult in a way that one large score is not, and the players who appear near the top across many years are telling you something that a single result cannot.

What it will not tell you is who to copy. The strategy that works in a forty player high roller with deep stacks and a field of professionals has almost nothing in common with a six handed cash table full of recreational players on a phone.

Frequently asked questions

Does the all time money list show profit?

No. It shows gross live tournament cashes with buy-ins never subtracted, so a player can climb the list across a losing stretch.

Why are online winnings not on the money list?

It is compiled from live tournament results only. Players whose earnings came mainly from online play or cash games are ranked far below their actual totals or absent entirely.

How does staking affect the rankings?

Heavily, and invisibly. Selling action and swapping percentages is normal at high buy-ins, so a recorded first prize may be split several ways with no public record of the split.

What should I track instead of total winnings?

Net profit after buy-ins, fees and rake, your volume, and a rate such as big blinds per hundred hands or return on investment. The rate lets you compare periods of different length.

How long before tournament results mean anything?

Hundreds of events before return on investment settles. Losing stretches well inside that range are ordinary variance rather than evidence about your game.

Where to go from here

If the point of the list is that gross numbers mislead, the practical follow up is working out what you can realistically expect, which is covered in how much you can earn from poker.

The two supporting pieces are bankroll management that survives variance and why tournament chips are not money. For the fields and limits behind our own tables, see the club apps we run or ask @rpunion.

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